out here in the sticks on LI we played a variation of chinese hand ball that we called suicide. it was the same ace, king queen setup, but we played against a bbrick wall and the surface was usually grass. you had to throw the ball in an effort to make the next guy miss. if he missed, he had to run to the wall and tag up. the other players would try and retrieve the ball and blast it at the runner. if you got hit before you tagged up, you got an out. three outs and you went “asses up”. Suicide. Usually resulted in some bleeding and the occasionally broken bone from running into the wall too hard or falling after being blasted in the liver by a spaldeen.